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Desert Chickensaur by Hyrotrioskjan Desert Chickensaur by Hyrotrioskjan
I know there were actually many humoristic to negative comments and articles about "chickensaurs" and the intention to make them real. 
But actually I like the idea quite a lot, not because I want chickens back in their coelurosaurian state but because the understanding of the epigenetic triggers in the DNA of an bird will give us an better understanding of how non-avian theropods became modern avian theropods. A chickensaur may be just a byproduct of such research and maybe a way to finance it ;)

One day those new species will actually be banned from Earth and the Solar System overall. Animals like chickensaurs will labeled as synthetic invasive animals (SIA) and are just permitted to exist inside the walls of laboratories.
But times change, and the first human colony planet outside our own system need a complete new fauna and flora, a opportunity hard to miss when you are a scientist with big plans and a fable for long time experiments. 

Chickensaurs, or sometimes just called Horners by locals, were introduced to Nea as small to middle sized carnivores/omnivores.
The Desert Chickensaur is the biggest sub-species/race and a common sight in the semiarid and arid plains of this planet. Thanks to one or two other modifications these animals thrive in their new habitat and are a popular source of proteins among the human population and other predators.

The subspecies name "manufactius" is common with all epigenetically altered species and less genetically altered ones.

Here more information about Nea and another species from that planet: hyrotrioskjan.deviantart.com/a…
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:icongodsofwarandrock:
GodsofWarAndRock Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
i'm pretty sure the actual chickenosaurus won't look anything like this
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KirbyniferousRegret Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
Alright dude let me break down to you why your point of view doesn't hold up by simply deconstructing the idea of chickensaurus.

Your entire point revolves around a chickensaurus proper looking like a combination between a tyrannosaur and a dromaeosaur, and that de-evolution is simply turning off and on genes. This relies on the idea of evolutionary development or evo devo, the idea that ontogeny mirrors phylogeny. Im sorry, but this idea is simply false and has been known to be false for quite some time. Evo Devo is pretty much only useful when its cross confirmed by the fossil record, which practically means its not even necessary because we already have the fossil record. And even IF chicken ontogeny mirrored chicken phylogeny, ther is no point in its otogeny that it resembles either a tyrannosaur or a dromaeosaur. Theres not a dromaeosaur buried underneath a chicken that we just need to carve out, thats not how it works. Even phylogentically it doesn't make any sense because in no point in chicken evolution is there a stage where the early chicken ancestor, or stem chicken if you will, resembles a tyrannosaur, or a velociraptor. At the very best it wouldve been an archeopteryx like avialan, but again, in order to 'de-evolve' something, all your really doing is editing genes during ontogeny, and in no point in chicken ontogeny does the chicken enter an archeopteryx like phase. Sorry. What youre basically suggesting is the equivalent of making a frog into an olm because theyre both amphibeans. An olm is not just a long eyeless frog, and a velociraptor isnt just a chicken with a tail and teeth. You seem to be ignorant on the many differences between the morphology and osteology of dromaeosaurs and chickens, they are quite different animals. Saying that a chicken will have the body of a velociraptor through gene editing is just not true, you may be able to flip on and off the genes for making teeth and keeping a tail, but you cant change the shape of a chickens pelvis nor can you make its bulging flight muscles disappear. You also suggest that since scuta are merely stunted feathers, you can stunt the rest of a chickens feathers to make it scaly. First of all, this flies in the face of you saying that it would have a dromaeosaurine body and tyrannosaur legs, because neither have scaly legs. If Tyrannosauruses close cousins the ornithomimosaurs tell us anything about the integument of these animals, it would appear that Tyrannosaurus has naked skin covering its legs, not scales. Also, while its up for debate whether or not Tyrannosaurs have a scaly head, we know for a fact velociraptor didnt. So the body of a velociraptor and the legs of a Tyrannosaur still has the EXACT SAME coverage of scales as a regular chicken does. Also, while its still a matter of controversy, scuta on birds are probably stunted flight feathers, meaning that you wouldnt even be able to turn every feather on the body into a scale, just the primaries, secondaries, and tail feathers. Chickens also have feather tracts which dromaeosaurs lack, so even the spacing of feathers would be completely off from dromaeosaurs. The public conception of what Jack Horner plans to make its completely off, Joschuas here is actually the most accurate depiction of one yet, however I suspect the quality of life for the actual animal would be much worse. What Jack Horner plans to do is turn off the gene that stops the tail from forming, and turn on the gene that makes the teeth grow. That is ALL. No reverting scuta, no stunting feathers, no changing the morphology of the animal, which isn't even possible over such a short period of time. Just those two things. Meaning that a chickensaurus would be a chicken with teeth growing from the beak, and a long tail, which considering feather tracts, would be an ugly mess of irregularly spaced tail feathers. You cant force a chicken down its phylogenetic past to make it another one of its ancestors, let alone relatives. De-evolution isnt a thing, evolution can only progress. Losing features and resembling older forms is not de-evolution, its convergent evolution.
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GodsofWarAndRock Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2017
"Your entire point revolves around a chickensaurus proper looking like a combination between a tyrannosaur and a dromaeosaur, and that de-evolution is simply turning off and on genes" chickens are descendants of t rex and raptors both
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And even IF chicken ontogeny mirrored chicken phylogeny, ther is no point in its otogeny that it resembles either a tyrannosaur or a dromaeosaur" like i said , t rex and raptors are both ancestors of chickens
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Theres not a dromaeosaur buried underneath a chicken that we just need to carve out, thats not how it works" did i say that's how it works , no i didn't
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Even phylogentically it doesn't make any sense because in no point in chicken evolution is there a stage where the early chicken ancestor, or stem chicken if you will, resembles a tyrannosaur, or a velociraptor" embryos start out looking like dinosaurs
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in order to 'de-evolve' something, all your really doing is editing genes during ontogeny" they're preventing the dinosaur traits in the embryos from disappearing
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Saying that a chicken will have the body of a velociraptor through gene editing is just not true, you may be able to flip on and off the genes for making teeth and keeping a tail, but you cant change the shape of a chickens pelvis nor can you make its bulging flight muscles disappear" they're giving chickens the traits of their dinosaur ancestors
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First of all, this flies in the face of you saying that it would have a dromaeosaurine body and tyrannosaur legs, because neither have scaly legs" chickens have scaly legs
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So the body of a velociraptor and the legs of a Tyrannosaur still has the EXACT SAME coverage of scales as a regular chicken does" and the scales would be fleshy colored considering the creature the chickenosaurus is being made from
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What Jack Horner plans to do is turn off the gene that stops the tail from forming, and turn on the gene that makes the teeth grow. That is ALL" no , that is NOT all , he also wants to turn on the genes that form hands
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You cant force a chicken down its phylogenetic past to make it another one of its ancestors, let alone relatives" i didn't say that at all
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KirbyniferousRegret Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
Phew, alright, im just gonna address all your points from there in a row.Did you actually absorb any of the points I made or did you just take them at face value? The chicken is not descendant from both dromaeosaurs and Tyrannosaurus (Not t rex but T.rex, learn how to write species names), but a descendant of their common ancestor.  They are not ancestors, they SHARE a common ancestor. They branched off FROM that common ancestor. Your using the fact that you didnt SPECIFICALLy say somthing as an excuse that its not what you implied. You were saying that a chickensaurus MUST end up looking like the two options you presented and nothing like Joschuas at all. You didnt say you cant carve out a chicken into a dromaeosaur specifically no, but I dont see how you could read that and not see that its a metaphor and not meant to be taken literally. To de-evolve something as you suggest to to force it down its phylogenentic past. They are not preventing the trait from disappearing they are making them propagate! Do you know ANYTHING about this subject? Im sorry, I dont mean to be rude but youve really shown a level of ignorance and refusal to budge even slightly on this subject even though everyone here can clearly see that you know almost NOTHING about it. Its just disheartning to see that you wont take in any information im giving you at all, you wont budge a bit! Like a brick wall! You cant give traights like that so easily, you can only MODIFY traits, you cant just flat out give them, we can only work with what we have and that is only so much. Of course I know chickens have scaly feet, the picture you linked earlier of a chickensaurus had scales in places it wouldnt have them and you said it was accurate. The part of the fleshy covering is total speculation on your part, you present no evidence for it, you just flat out make the claim. Chickens already have hands, and dromaeosaur hands and chicken hands wouldnt be all that different in life, just one would have a thumb and claws sticking out, but I'll give you that I did skip over that. My bad. See how I can ADMIT when ive made a mistake? You should learn that. Anyway, I dont see myself getting anywhere with you anytime soon, so this will probably be my last comment. Yes I know, I was a little rude, but its just frustrating to see that you've absorbed nothing from any of this. I hope you take the time to think about this more and do some hard research into this. Dont rely on deceitful documentaries and online science articles, actually go to google scholar and read up on ontogeny, genetics, phylogeny, and osteology, as well as read up on the animals in question. I recommend you take some time to cool off before your next comment. I was hard on you yes, but only because I want you to be motivated to learn more about these things.
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GodsofWarAndRock Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2017
"The chicken is not descendant from both dromaeosaurs and Tyrannosaurus (Not t rex but T.rex, learn how to write species names), but a descendant of their common ancestor.  They are not ancestors, they SHARE a common ancestor" it still counts
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Your using the fact that you didnt SPECIFICALLy say somthing as an excuse that its not what you implied" no i'm not
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You were saying that a chickensaurus MUST end up looking like the two options you presented and nothing like Joschuas at all" no i wasn't
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You didnt say you cant carve out a chicken into a dromaeosaur specifically no, but I dont see how you could read that and not see that its a metaphor and not meant to be taken literally" now you're just making shit up
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To de-evolve something as you suggest to to force it down its phylogenentic past" i said NOTHING of this sort , NOR did i hint at it
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They are not preventing the trait from disappearing they are making them propagate" thus preventing the traits from disappearing
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Do you know ANYTHING about this subject" of course i do
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Im sorry, I dont mean to be rude but youve really shown a level of ignorance and refusal to budge even slightly on this subject even though everyone here can clearly see that you know almost NOTHING about it" i DO know about the subject
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Its just disheartning to see that you wont take in any information im giving you at all, you wont budge a bit" excuse me , but YOU'RE the 1s who aren't taking information
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You cant give traights like that so easily, you can only MODIFY traits, you cant just flat out give them, we can only work with what we have and that is only so much" chicken embryos start out having fingers
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the picture you linked earlier of a chickensaurus had scales in places it wouldnt have them and you said it was accurate" well it is , it's the MOST accurate
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The part of the fleshy covering is total speculation on your part, you present no evidence for it, you just flat out make the claim" nobody can say for sure how the creature will ACTUALLY look , so all we can do right now is make interpretations
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Chickens already have hands, and dromaeosaur hands and chicken hands wouldnt be all that different in life, just one would have a thumb and claws sticking out" the hands in chickens degenerate before the chicken is born , and thus , the chickens are born without them
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Anyway, I dont see myself getting anywhere with you anytime soon, so this will probably be my last comment" funny , i was thinking the same of you
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I hope you take the time to think about this more and do some hard research into this. Dont rely on deceitful documentaries and online science articles, actually go to google scholar and read up on ontogeny, genetics, phylogeny, and osteology, as well as read up on the animals in question." now i know you're making shit up , i'm not relying on ANYTHING "deceitful"
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KirbyniferousRegret Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
Man, literally everything ive said, in one year out the other. Okay, I'll comment one more thing, this is a link to the twitter of a REAL paleontologist (not one who says chickens have a womb like you did earlier), please, PLEASE for the love of god message him and tell HIM your points. Maybe you'll listen to a real scientist instead of me, whose just relaying their information. twitter.com/TetZoo?lang=en
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GodsofWarAndRock Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2017
i know EXACTLY what i'm talking about
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KirbyniferousRegret Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
I think ive already proven to everyone reading here that you dont.
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Professional General Artist
Why?
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:icongodsofwarandrock:
GodsofWarAndRock Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017
1. it's too large
2. it doesn't have everything the scientists want to bring back
3. it's not dinosaur-like enough
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munkas02 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It's his project, damn chill and read a book
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GodsofWarAndRock Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2017
don't tell me what to do
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munkas02 Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
????????????
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GodsofWarAndRock Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2017
don't play dumb
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munkas02 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm just suggesting you calm down, you're obviously really worked up about this
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PLASTOSPLEEN Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2017
DON'T TELL HIM WHAT TO DO
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munkas02 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
BIG BOY NOW. CAN DO WHAT WANT
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munkas02 Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:'(
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2017  Professional General Artist
1. Chickens can get this large
2. teeth, tail, wing claws/fingers, what else? 
3. Chickens are already dinosaurs, what do you think would happen? They would be only changed epigenetically, 
beside the traits switched back to their ancestral stage the animal would remain the same.
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:icongodsofwarandrock:
1. you're thinking of turkeys
2. it doesn't really have the fingers , or the legs
3. this picture right here best shows how i imagine the creature would most likely look : drakewolf95.deviantart.com/art…
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017  Professional General Artist
1. Nope s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/5…
2. even basal maniraptorans had their primaries on their hands, sleeve-wings are inaccurate af. And even dromaeosaurus had probably second and third finger fused by soft tissue.
3. Nice drawing, but as I said, the animal can't be un-chicken. Besides: while the genes of these traits are still
present they are normally underdeveloped, good example are tails in humans. This still happens, but no human so far grew a tail like 
a spider monkey, that's because the genes were suppressed for so long that the trait no longer reaches it's previous extend.
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GodsofWarAndRock Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2017
1. so
2. but those are feathers , not fingers
3. 1/2. who said it had to be un-chicken
2/2. scientists are working to stop the suppression of the dinosaur genes in the chickens
3/2. i actually drew how i envisioned the creature : godsofwarandrock.deviantart.co…
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2017  Professional General Artist
You might want to have a look at what dinosaur wings looked like: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwqHDz…
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yoult Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2017  Professional General Artist
1) Want to see more big cocks? Apparently you don't know much about the life appearance and diversity of chicken breeds.
2) What are you even talking about? Where do you think the primaries are attached to? It's the fingers.
3.1) Basically you.
3.2) That's basically what Hyrotrioskjan said.
3.3) This drawing of yours does not only look artistically bad, it's also completely inaccurate, looking nothing like a chicken or any dinosaur we know.
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Camacaw Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2016
If only this was real...sigh
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2016  Professional General Artist
It could be real in near future.
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Camacaw Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2016
True, there are plans to de-evolve chickens in the scientific community.
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2016  Professional General Artist
That's what this is based on. But the term de-evolve might be a little misleading ;)
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Camacaw Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2016
What it means is that science is going to try and reactivated there old genes, so far they have created a chicken with dino legs. Soon they will make one with a dino snout.
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Heytomemeimhome Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2016
Eh, the idea of synthetic organisms being banned thought the solar system seems a little unlikely to me. Maybe within certain countries for a few decades, but I mean the synthetic,modified,transgenic,etc whatever you want to call them we've already created are already helping humanity. Besides when earth has lost so many species creating new ones to fill lost excological niches and create more diverisity within endangered species seems like a good strategy to me. Public fears, fuelled by 30 stupid movies like Jurassic Park and splice don't seem like the sort of thing that would last for long enough to consume the entire solar system and make terraforming difficult, I mean, really really?

I'm sorry, I know this is… Fictional work is just something I can get very passionate about… I mean the only thing that we need to worry about would be bio weapons, but large artificially constructed warm-blooded vertebrates, that's insane on a number of levels, from the fact that no one would even do such a thing, not without their government being isolated from the rest of the world, Norwood such creatures survive terribly well, unless the Lasky was the graded to the point where they didn't have any competition to begin with, and therefore wouldn't logically be invasive. The same way I think it's idiotic to call camels in Australia invasive, they may not be native but they provide the ability to study some very interesting things, they actually provide a browser in the ecosystem since we've killed off most of the large browsers in Australia, etc. etc. etc.

Sorry for the rant... I really like your stuff enough and following you for a while, I just felt the need to say this because it's not the same sort of thing that I've been hearing just from you, I've been hearing from a lot of other people and I think it's ridiculous, again I'm sorry feel free to block me, that's what everyone seems to do nowadays .
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Corecin Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017
Why make a new species to fill a niche when you could just bring back the original?
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Heytomemeimhome Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017
Because it's easier? Possibly.
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Corecin Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2017
Doesn't seem easier at all. 
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Heytomemeimhome Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2017
I don't know why you think that, with present teknology we have the ability to make larger more muscular animals, via genetic engineering, we could probably also easily make them fatter or fluffier and change a few key behaviours fairly simply, but we still haven't been able to grow a thylacine.
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Corecin Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2017
Okay let me change what I said, it doesn't seem probable. You have to remember that this is in the far future, where genetic modification is used all the time. Sure you could have your own custom GM animal replace lions, but why would you when you can just bring back lions? And plus, Hyrotrioskjan said himself that a lot of animals were recovering because farms and other things were being built on the Moon, which means what was proposed won't happen in universe. 
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Kredri Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
These are where slavic legends of a Vasilisk came...
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McTalon Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2015  Student General Artist
Cool idea!

Just give it a larger comb and filthier feathers, and you could easily call it a cockatrice.
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2015  Professional General Artist
I already have a cockatrice =) hyrotrioskjan.deviantart.com/a…
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McTalon Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2015  Student General Artist
Cool
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Zgerken Featured By Owner Edited Oct 31, 2015
One day on a planet called Nea a farmer came home from herding a herd of Musk triox from field to field to her Husband who was cooking dinner for their children, "What's for dinner, darling?" She calls out, he replies "Chickensaur breasts"....  I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2015  Professional General Artist
=D
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SalamandraChaosu Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2015
I wanna have that chickensaurus in my garden! :)
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2015  Professional General Artist
=D
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DAVCM64 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2015
IMPOSIBRU!!!
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2015  Professional General Artist
=)
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DAVCM64 Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2015
You Forgot My Treat 
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Zrcalo-Sveta Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
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Hyrotrioskjan Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2015  Professional General Artist
The similarity isn't by accident, I used actual living chicken races for the chickensaurs.
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Zrcalo-Sveta Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
yessssss. I knew someone who bred these types of chicken. Holy cow they were aggressive. Much like raptors.
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ZaubererbruderASP Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Störts dich wenn ich das Bild im Drachenwiki benutze? Das aktuelle Bild im Artikel Cockatrice gefällt mir nicht.
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